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  The vote is in: SCIENCE vs RELIGION......who won?

  by Terry in

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  history has demonstrated:.

  religion is following orders by implicitly trusting someone or something.. science asks questions.. religion purports to answer questions.. science seeks to disprove its own conclusions.. religion seeks to reinforce its own dogma.. science is error-correction toward adjusting for realities as they unfold.. religion internalizes against reality by mocking up a substitute.. science is the most recent development of the human mind.

  technology proves science to be successful in advancing human progress.. religion disdains human progress and waits for the end.

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  dark angle

  could someone here help me how to post with spacings? i write my replies with spaces and indentions but won't show when posted.
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  The vote is in: SCIENCE vs RELIGION......who won?

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  history has demonstrated:.

  religion is following orders by implicitly trusting someone or something.. science asks questions.. religion purports to answer questions.. science seeks to disprove its own conclusions.. religion seeks to reinforce its own dogma.. science is error-correction toward adjusting for realities as they unfold.. religion internalizes against reality by mocking up a substitute.. science is the most recent development of the human mind.

  technology proves science to be successful in advancing human progress.. religion disdains human progress and waits for the end.

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  dark angle

  What an interesting thread! TERRY, i followed your link about god, & it struck me hard. ( i'm sneakingly reading it now because my wife and parents is sensing something different about my opinions!)long ago i have a distant feeling about this, and this thread that you started was an intriguing coincidence to me. as born in a witness family, i was raised to believed in a god, but i find very disturbing conclusions in my readings about common scientific books. i always keep those conflicts in my heart. how i wish this discussion was started 10 years ago so i may evade those futile years i spent in the ministry! right now i felt i am less than halfway about the REALIZATIONS that you and others here possess. i enjoyed greatly reading all you comments here. hope someday i could catch up with all of you.
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  Help! they're giving me a talk #4 entittled:" IDENTIFYING APOSTATES"

  by dark angle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is quite awkward for me to give!

  our elder gave me that assignment last week and should be delivered next week on the theocratic ministry school.

  considering i have very unconventional views for the wts about blood, evolution, bible, and the gb, delivering this talk seemd quite maladroit.

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  dark angle

  Rabbit, my sympathies. there is no way i could really feel the irritation that you are experiencing but i think you're not alone in your problems. in other ways all of us here are unpleasantly bearing from the effects of this policies made by the WTBS. i myself wants to change things in my family but it is out of my power to so at the moment. but keep in mind no matter what our heavenly father is nowhere like the tempers of those people leading the WTBS, he understands you more than what you know about yourself and he is very loving and merciful more than we could imagine. take charge man your not alone in this battle.
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  Help! they're giving me a talk #4 entittled:" IDENTIFYING APOSTATES"

  by dark angle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is quite awkward for me to give!

  our elder gave me that assignment last week and should be delivered next week on the theocratic ministry school.

  considering i have very unconventional views for the wts about blood, evolution, bible, and the gb, delivering this talk seemd quite maladroit.

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  dark angle

  zicco, xjwms and others here who were very kind to share their ideas: Sorry for this late response. Our internet connection was terrible for about a week. However, I was able to make that "difficult talk" with all your contributions. I made my family happy, the JWs clapping, and hopefully the open minded people thinking. Here’s the brief out line I did. I think a better title of my talk would be BLIND OBEDIENCE. I Took the Definition about apostasy here and somehow blended it with the reasoning from the scriptures and emphasized the falling away from the truth as laid out in the bible. Then I pointed out 4 points: 1. Causing divisions in the congregation. 2. Not interested in preaching or conveying the truth to others 3. Rejecting the authority of gods visible organization 4. Always criticizing gods servants Then I added that everyone here among us that doubt, even a little bit, about the decrees of the GB could be an apostate. Therefore we would never look, even peep a second, at famous internet sites that are harboring apostates, not question any sound doctrine & policies we have, should not read any literature that is one way or another not in conformity of our publications…… because we only have one source for the truth and that is the WTBS, the winning bidder of Gods channel for truth. (I delivered as forcefully as I could, but for me,in my heart, that ideas are boring)
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  Help! they're giving me a talk #4 entittled:" IDENTIFYING APOSTATES"

  by dark angle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is quite awkward for me to give!

  our elder gave me that assignment last week and should be delivered next week on the theocratic ministry school.

  considering i have very unconventional views for the wts about blood, evolution, bible, and the gb, delivering this talk seemd quite maladroit.

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  dark angle

  to everyone here, thanks for all support! that has greatly clarified my mind. since our language is not on English, i cod not make a video or a recording of it (its on cebuano dialect). however, i will be posting my final outline here for those who are curious.it also might help others someday who might be in the same position i had.
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  Help! they're giving me a talk #4 entittled:" IDENTIFYING APOSTATES"

  by dark angle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is quite awkward for me to give!

  our elder gave me that assignment last week and should be delivered next week on the theocratic ministry school.

  considering i have very unconventional views for the wts about blood, evolution, bible, and the gb, delivering this talk seemd quite maladroit.

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  funkyderek, taking all the consensus here it seems i would be playing a superhardline talk. the points u suggested is nice. ill print it.
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  Help! they're giving me a talk #4 entittled:" IDENTIFYING APOSTATES"

  by dark angle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is quite awkward for me to give!

  our elder gave me that assignment last week and should be delivered next week on the theocratic ministry school.

  considering i have very unconventional views for the wts about blood, evolution, bible, and the gb, delivering this talk seemd quite maladroit.

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  dark angle

  balsam,avidbiblereader, willylowman, i appreciate the definitions and your ideas that has given more material for my talk.
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  Help! they're giving me a talk #4 entittled:" IDENTIFYING APOSTATES"

  by dark angle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is quite awkward for me to give!

  our elder gave me that assignment last week and should be delivered next week on the theocratic ministry school.

  considering i have very unconventional views for the wts about blood, evolution, bible, and the gb, delivering this talk seemd quite maladroit.

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  dark angle

  unconfused, thats also a great alternative way. superhardliner! would please also my family but might raise inquiry on others. ill be printing that outline.
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  Help! they're giving me a talk #4 entittled:" IDENTIFYING APOSTATES"

  by dark angle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is quite awkward for me to give!

  our elder gave me that assignment last week and should be delivered next week on the theocratic ministry school.

  considering i have very unconventional views for the wts about blood, evolution, bible, and the gb, delivering this talk seemd quite maladroit.

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  dark angle

  junction guy, ninja, sir82, carla, lady liberty,finallyfree,kwintestal thanks guys for those suggestions. i will keenly consider those ideas you gave. as it is already midnight here, ill be out for sleep, but will be very eager to check this page early in the morning. gudnyt too all.
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  Help! they're giving me a talk #4 entittled:" IDENTIFYING APOSTATES"

  by dark angle in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is quite awkward for me to give!

  our elder gave me that assignment last week and should be delivered next week on the theocratic ministry school.

  considering i have very unconventional views for the wts about blood, evolution, bible, and the gb, delivering this talk seemd quite maladroit.

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  dark angle

  zico, your almost 100% correct! the next theme on #4 is : What should be our attitude toward Apostates?